Trevor Loudon: The Real Obama Agenda – Destroying the US Military:80,000 Views So Far


I recorded this video a month ago. It is my message to America. In it, I attempt to explain the global implications of a second Obama presidential terms

This election was the most crucial in modern American history. It was not primarily about jobs and economics, it is about national security and, to be blunt, national survival.

America, and indeed the entire Western World, faces possible destruction now communist sympathizer Barack Obama is returned to office.

This video is being distributed all over the United States. Please watch it, and if you agree with the basic ideas expressed, send it out through your networks, to as many people as you can.

Sometimes it takes an outside view to clarify important matters. I hope this message will serve that purpose.

From a very grateful New Zealander.

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  4. Excellent Intelligence Data !!!

    QUOTE:
    “Panetta,together with David Axelrod, Valerie Jarrett, Susan Rice, and others in the administration, really do see the U.S. military, as it
    currently is, as the enemy.”

    MORE:
    “It used to be that professors at the Ivy League schools would single
    out folks to be approached. Then the military became a big pipeline.
    Now the military is building multiple spy services because
    a) CIA sucks and
    b) DIA, NSA, and NRO suck.
    A never-ending cycle of money. ”
    – Robert David Steele.”

    MORE:
    “Most of you ignore that non-human creatures took part in the
    exercise of those centralising powers without them being neither
    suspected nor accessible to your senses. This is so true that they
    have almost very subtly taken control. They do not necessarily stand
    on your material plan, and that is precisely what could make them
    extremely efficient and frightening in the near future. However, be
    aware that a large number of your representatives are fighting this
    danger !”

    MORE:
    (Ingo Swann… about the Moon)
    “There were large platforms on domes, large cross-like
    structures.

    Holes being dug into crater walls and floors obviously
    having to do with some kind of mining or earth-moving operations.

    There were “nets” over craters, “houses” in which someone
    obviously lived, except that I couldn’t see who – save in one case.

    In THAT case, I saw some kind of people busy at work on
    something I could not figure out. The place was dark. The “air”
    was filled with a fine dust, and there was some kind of
    illumination – like a dark lime-green fog or mist.”

    MORE:

    SEE MY WEBSITE VIA MY NAME.

    I HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH GOOD USA MILITARY FOR OVER 10 YEARS DAILY IN USENET NEWSGROUPS.

  5. Trevor, pushing the rhetoric aside as a fellow New Zealander you should be overjoyed Obama won a second term. It will mean our countries can embellish on the Free Trade Agree we have – the one the protectionist Republicans were against, being more interested in their core voters. Then there is the messy business of invading other countries, say like Iran. Sure bet Mitt would have had the B52’s carpet bombing Tehran and then wanting its allies to help by risking the lives of Kiwi’s. I am really bamboozled by a New Zealander being so obsessed with American Politics, more so when most Americans couldn’t place N.Z on a map. I have travelled in the U.S extensively, probably more extensively than most Americans and find them mostly ignorant about foreign affairs. Seriously what percentage of your last Tea Party dominated crowd knows anything about New Zealand? The trip I did last year not one mentioned the Christchurch earthquake yet the moment I arrived in Germany my hosts were anxious to hear what is happening. Why care about people that don’t care about you? Most weird.

  6. Combine the weakening of our military with the fact that Obama wants to take away private ownership of firearms and it appears crystal clear that his plan is to make us slaves to the NWO. Remember it was the Japanese who said during WWII that they couldn’t invade America because there would be a rifle behind every blade of grass. Ruin the military, disarm the populace and we’d all be sitting ducks for Russia/China et al…

  7. Thank you for the report. Thank you for the work that you are doing to preserve freedom for everyone. There is courage in your words.

  8. Trevor, thank you so much for all the research, time and effort you have given to make Americans more aware of the real America and the possible path it may be going down.

    I’m a long time follower, have your book. As someone said on here, you are more of a patriot than many Americans.

    My son just moved back from NZ (Wellington) after six years. He was fortunate enough to obtain his residency there. (not an easy thing to do) I have a premonition he will move there permanently at some point. He has many friends there, I’ve been there three times while he was living there and have seen much of both islands including your home of Christchurch.

    I will forward this urgent you tube message to as many as possible.

    Thank you for everything. I wish you well.

  9. @ “In no instances have ……. the churches been guardians of the liberties of the people.” (James Madison). Until recent times, chuches may not have seen that as a required role because the 1st admendment was believed to mean that the government was not in opposition to religion and in the past people in error believed that the federal government was a defender of the Constitution. (i.e. RULE 1: Do not ever believe that any part of the Federal Government will in fact defend the Constitution. If the states and the people do not do it at the voting booth and thru education and organizing, it won’t get done. See the 10th Amendment). Liberty as we know it and as embodied in the Constitution is at least in part derived from Christianity. Most people who attend church understand that being the guardian of liberty has not been one of the major roles of most churches but this did not keep many of them from being guardians of liberty. As members and church leaders face the realities of our current political landscape look for more guidance from all liberty loving people in the defense of the Constitution and in matters as simple as the difference between good politics and bad politics. vin5ron@yahoo.com

  10. Unfortunately, it’s not the voters who count, but the ones who will be counting the votes…………

    our election process has been hijacked

  11. Trevor Loudon here tells it like it is. This New Zealander has a better handle on what Obama is doing then about 20 million Americans. When 18 through 25 year olds don’t have any idea who the elected leaders are in government we in America have a problem and it should be obvious. Currently our problem is called Barack Obama, however, when these idiots are in their 40’s and 50’s they will be running the country the extended future really does not look good. How did we get here? What ever happened to patriotism? What ever happened to love of country?

    1. This video might help explain what has happened to our country. Coincidentally, Mr. Loudon appears in this documentary.

  12. Thank you Mr. Loudon. In my opinion, your video is the most important of the year. If you want to know the real obama, watch this video. As the idiomatic expression states: “Even a blind man know when he’s standing in the sun.” … If you watch this video and still vote for obama, you are an enemy of the United States of America.

  13. Mr. Loudon,

    Your alarm is well noted and well received. Moreover, you’re absolutely right.
    I’m sure that you’ve met many Americans in your speaking engagements and I hope that you’ve come to a conclusion that most folks don’t ever realize.

    Our strength doesn’t come from the government. It never has.
    It comes from us. the people. ordinary people who have no give in them and won’t back up for the devil himself, when push comes to shove.
    Foso de liberales venenosos said it well when he said “if our votes don’t do it, our 2nd amendment will”.
    I hope it doesn’t come to that but if it does, know that at least 3 million of us will answer the call.
    We will put it right.

  14. Trevor you’re right about Obama hurtling America toward authoritarianism. But you don’t want to discuss why the neoconservatives within the Republican Party are hellbent on arming jihadists who have a proven track record of killing Americans in Iraq and more recently our Ambassador to Libya so they can fight Assad, or even Russia and China. At a certain point this house of cards is going to come down and the misdirection lies of the Cointelpro plants ala @ReginaldQuill regarding ‘Russia’ being behind all jihadists all over the world will be exposed as the cover that they are. It’s McCain, Graham, Susan Rice and the others in D.C. who are expecting big paydays when they retire from Saudi Arabia and Qatar for so loyally serving their interests in Syria, not Mr. Putin. It’s BigSis goons sexually molesting grannies and toddlers at U.S. airports while Mr. Romney says nothing on that subject, not Putin good squads. The REAL Commies, Muslim Brotherhood et al are all inside the wire calling the shots in THE US GOVERNMENT. They need no instructions from Moscow or Beijing anymore in fact many of them are busy trying to undermine the Russian Federation promoting JIHADISM in Russia through front groups like this:

    http://www.austereinsomniac.info/blog/2012/10/15/liberasts-and-islamists.html

    http://www.austereinsomniac.info/blog/2012/4/12/a-video-and-more-for-democratist.html

  15. Thanks for the excellent heads up. You have a new fan.
    0bama has to be flushed out of the system. If votes don’t do it the 2nd. amendment will.

  16. Trevor, (Attn: staff; somebody try to persuade him to consider):

    A wonderfully complete and well thought out presentation, but one that will simply be ignored by so many who need to listen through it, and might!

    You MUST hire a video editor to compile a fast-paced intro of clips from within this presentation, along with any mind blowing clips from other appearances, whatever.

    Today’s undecided “yutes”, including all those that we might actually reach, will never sit still long enough to even begin to let all this sink in. This intro must shout, rapid-fire, with easily caught hooks to motivate fast surfers to watch the content that is laid out in detail inside.

    90 seconds max.

    Bruce Hinton

    1. I agree with Bruce. As soon as I looked at the length of your video, I was worried that most ppl wouldn’t take the time to listen after I shared this with them. However, I will still share it. I think you can make the presentations a little longer but no longer than 2.5 or 3 minutes. I personally have the patience and time…so I will listen to it all.
      Thank you Trevor for all your research!! Anxious to read your book!

      Pamela Stuhr
      USA

  17. There was a time when the Tea Party Patriots was first formed, when FACEBOOK was configured such that you easily post a “Note” and TAG all of the people who you knew would figure prominently in helping you get something broadly distributed. We used it and as far as I could tell, this tool really helped us to win the 2010 midterms. It wasn’t too long after that, while subtle changes had been happening that disrupted the way I was distributing to other conservatives on FB, that they completely discontinued and reconfigured the way “Notes” could be tagged. Before those changes, (about all 500 of my FB friends are/were conservatives) and I could go on and send them each a tagged note with something like this in one fell swoop. I was enraged when they changed it because it significantly impacted my ability to share these things with masses of people with just a few clicks. After those post-Midterm2010 FB changes, it’s not so easy any more. I swear up and down they had a list of conservatives on their watch list to monitor how they were sharing information so quickly ….and made the necessary changes to stop it. I don’t imagine the liberals were utilizing the same tools, but what do I know.
    It sure felt awfully “coincidental”..

  18. Trevor –

    We are so thankful for your knowledge and research. Thank you for sharing and keeping a watchful eye for America. You are a true patriot and your country should be proud of your – the American people certainly are! I pray we get to visit with you again next year as a refreshed and cleaned America.

    God Bless –
    Don & Diane

  19. Terrific editorial! I’m an Aussie and I warned about voting for Obama in 07 and 08. I knew what would happen under Obama and I was right. I wish I wasn’t, because America is now on the brink of chaos. If Obama is re-elected it’s all over, Red Rover!!!
    (P.S. If Gillard is re-elected, Oz is also stuffed!).

  20. Mr. Loudon,

    Thank you for your hard work and dedication to uncovering the frightening truths about Barak Obama…I will gladly post your link on my FB page and let my friends get an ear full…you are a wonderfully wise and brave man…Thank you for what happens for our country as you seek a future for yours…your talent, dedication, perseverance and passion are greatly appreciated!

    Regards,
    Tracy Campbell

  21. Trevor, you are truly a great patriot, and speaker. I have heard many of your reports on the current state of US relations with our allies and our enemies and I am in complete agreement with you. I have told many of my close friends about you and I hope they all will be listening to your reports. I have asked you once before, in a post, if you ever heard of Tom Fife. I am sure you probably have and I am very curious to know your thoughts on his tale from the 1990s in Moscow at a dinner party where his guests told him about a young black male who would be our president. Do you know this story and what do you think of it, I would be most happy to hear from you. I don’t usually give an e mail but…..ali3n@aol.com I would love to hear your thoughts.

  22. I’ll pass it along.

    I had the pleasure of hosting Trevor during his recent trip to New Jersey. He is a true Kkiw patriot and a great friend of the United States.

    Thank you for everything you have done.

    gh

  23. Thank you Trevor! I will post to Facebook. You are a better “American” than probably 50% of the country. Fight on, you are a Freedom Patriot.

    1. Good to know we have friends who truly understand the comittment MANY Americans have to freedom, our nation, and freedom for the Christian nations of the world. The eventual war between Christianity and Islam will once and for all settle a 1,380 year old dispute. Is the God of the Old Testament – the God of Israel – and the God of the New Testament – God The Father & His Holy Son, Jesus Christ – THE ANSWER TO HUMANITY. OR, is it Allah – the made-up god of the Arab world, the Moon-God who brought so much confusion, terror, murder, slavery, conquest, and destruction into the world. We may not see it in our lifetime – but, IT IS COMING! And, leaders like Obama will keep coming, and the people who promote him. Look at their CONVENTION – their PLATFORM. There is no room for GOD in the Democratic Party of America!

      1. There is no need for God in the Democratic Party. The founding fathers were NOT totally enamored with religion:
        “The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever
        from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe with
        blood for centuries.¬”
        –James Madison

        “Religions are all alike – founded upon fables and mythologies.”
        – Thomas Jefferson

        “The Christian God is a being of terrific character — cruel, vindictive,
        capricious, and unjust.”
        — Thomas Jefferson

        “In no instance have . . . the churches been guardians of the liberties of the people.”
        – James Madison

        1. Please see David Barton’s book “Origianal Intent”. Thomas Jefferson and James Madison were in a minority with their views on religion as quoted by Wine Dude. Also, the idea of “seperation of church and state” has been terribly misused by modernity. It was never intended to completely keep religion (Christianity)out of the public sphere. The founders were coming from a country where the king was the head of the church. This caused many problems. The founders believed that the federal government could not establish, or choose an existing, “be one or face persecution” denomination of Christianity. (Yes, Christianity was seen as the best guide to morailty and citizenship for the foundation of government.) Oddly enough they saw this as a states rights issue. Please check out the history of the early Americans for yourself. You will find Wine Dude’s bias is ignoring the overwhelming evidence of the influence of Christianity in the founding and building of America.

          1. I believe our First Amendment is very clear. “Congress shall make no law respecting any particular religion, nor shall it prohibit the FREE exercise thereof.”

            Unfortunately, this phrase “separation of church and state” which is not in our Constitution, has been used to “prohibit our free exercise, thereof”. But our free exercise has been held up by the Supreme Court.
            Therefore, if high school students want to lead fellow student in prayer and the majority of student want to be led in prayer; they can do so. However, you will see Atheist groups try to intimate schools into making rules to the contrary.

            Our fight for religious freedom is more important then ever. It was President George Washington who said that this “Democratic Republic was designed for a religious and moral people; it could work for no other.”

            Now, more than ever the hounds of hell seek to destroy our religious freedoms. Who will stand?

        2. With a name like “Wine Dude” I’m not surprised to see such a college freshman-like argument posted. Whether God exists or not, no one but a fool would argue that the world would be a far better place if people followed the principles of the ten commandments. Stop spending so much time attacking Christianity. If you had any cojones, you’d post your real name and attack Islam and Mohammad with the same spirit. I suspect you don’t and won’t.

        3. Separation of church and state was instituted to prevent a national religion from being established. That is all. Nothing more.

        4. I dont know where you get your lies, but even myself, a Jew KNOWS that America is a Christian nation. If you have issue with this, go to China.

          Patrick Henry, Patriot 1776

          “It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For that reason alone, people of other faiths have been afforded freedom of worship here.”
          – Patrick Henry

          Thomas Jefferson, Founding Father

          “I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever.”
          – Thomas Jefferson, 1801

          “I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.”
          – Thomas Jefferson (inscribed around the inside of the dome of the Jefferson Memorial in Washington)

          George Washington

          “The propitious smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right which Heaven itself has ordained.”
          – George Washington, 1789

          Samuel Adams

          “We have this day restored the Sovereign to Whom all men ought to be obedient. He reigns in heaven and from the rising to the setting of the sun, let His kingdom come.”
          – Samuel Adams, 1776 (at the signing of the Declaration of Independence)

          John Adams and John Hancock

          “We Recognize No Sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus!
          – John Adams and John Hancock, Founding Fathers (April 18, 1775)

        5. “The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe with blood for centuries.”

          This “quote” has been researched extensively and no direct source to Thomas Jefferson has ever been found. Please see http://candst.tripod.com/quotpurp.htm

          “Religions are all alike – founded upon fables and mythologies.”

          This “quote” also is bogus. Please see http://candst.tripod.com/studygd7b.htm which states…

          “So far, nobody has been able to trace this quotation back to any actual primary source material. The trail of evidence begins and ends with Remsburg’s book. No other reference to this “Letter to Dr. Woods” can presently be located.

          We suggest no version of this quote be used and that it be considered bogus.”

          I’ll not continue debunking the rest of your so called “quotes”. Thomas Jefferson was a Christian and would never speak in such a manner about Christianity, nor would James Madison. It is easy to pervert the truth when the author of the lie knows that those who WANT to believe what they have said is true will never do any research to confirm the truth.

      2. The moon god, the sun god, all western religion is phony, each in succession borrowed from millennia of preceding religions. Nonetheless, islam is an immature, restricting social religion that obliterates individuality while allowing huge corruption and horror. While the majority are peaceful people who want to be left alone, the True Believers who are just the same immature, evil spirits as the christian fundamentalists, will commit evil for their beliefs, to the detriment of all.

        The near future holds an imminent war between Shiites and Sunni, which will spill over to effect the rest of the western world, and could lead to a new social collapse. If the Muslims fight among themselves, they will lob the occasional grenade in our direction, just for anger and blame. We will suffer the consequences.

        Persuasion can not work in the face of religion, only slaughter or education and enlightenment. The path OUT of fundamentalism is always new information, education, new ideas that integrate with and eventually supplant True Belief. The question is, how to get that done, if it can be done.

        As to the administration, I am a libertarian and have studied language … meaning, transformational grammar, semantics, etc. on a modest level, and in the first campaign, Obama had nothing but generalities, and the population hallucinated its own meaning, with zero understanding of reality or who the man was.

        Now we know the quality and intentions if we are paying attention, but the huge bulk population who are mindless serfs (pardon me for being judgmental… or objective) think there is something in it for them (welfare, jobs, recognition, racial celebration, whatever) will support the incumbent without knowing or caring about the truth, as they did before. And, that opened the door for a sponsored enemy to be elected in the first place and will now knock down the walls so the edifice that was America collapses.

        Sorry, America, I think you brought it all on yourself by allowing the installation of the candidate sponsored by corporate fascism and the banks who have only their own profit in mind. Now, we get more exercises in chaos as a result.

        1. Someone has watched Zeitgeist: The Movie way too many times.
          That video series has been debunked 100 times go and actually do some research.
          You don’t know what your talking about and as far as the Bible being researched No book has been researched more in an effort to debunk it. Yet it still stands.
          Many have become Christian along the way.

      3. You are aware that a Christian is a person that follows Jesus. Obama has said at a prayer breakfast that he follows Jesus, Romney is a Morman and NOT a Christian and does not follow Jesus. So be careful what you follow and believe. I’m voting for the Christian who happens to be a democract which follows what Jesus preached about helping the poor etc.

        1. Barack Obama DOES NOT follow Jesus. Jesus would not support or condone abortion, infanticide or homosexuality. Barack Obama does. Anyone can say they follow Jesus. Taking care of the poor was only one of His teachings. Jesus said, “if you love me, obey my commands”. All of the Bible is the word of God. Jesus is called the living Word; therefore we are to be guided by all of the Bible’s teachings according to both historical and theological contexts. Abortion, infanticide and homosexuality are never accepted of condoned anywhere in the Bible. They are always called sin, and anyone who promotes and supports sin is not a true follower of Jesus.

          1. Obama may “talk the Christian talk” but does not “walk the Christian walk.” Romney, whose Mormon faith acknowledges Jesus Christ, leads a more Christian life than many so-called Christians.

        2. Obama is a fake not a christian and does not fallow Yahshua (Jesus) in fact Obama is an Infidel and hates anything to do with YHWH and His Son Yahshua (Jesus):o

          1. You are so right, but thanks to the ‘useful idiots’ in America Obama now has 4 more years to destroy America. BUT God is still in charge. Pray ‘without ceasing’ for America.

        3. Enough already of your bigotry Pete. Just because you disagree with the doctrine of Romney’s church, doesn’t equate to his not being Christian. Romney has emphatically and repeatedly stated that he accepts Jesus Christ and Lord and Savior and takes a weekly sacrament to renew his commitment therein.

          So if proclaiming Christ as one’s Savior and afterward doing the best one can to live with Him as Lord is not sufficient to be deemed a Christian, then your view is patently unscriptural and based on an ugliness of spirit that is not of God.

        4. First of all… Mr. Loudon, Thank You very much for all your efforts and the warning to America. You are a true friend of the U.S. Citizens. I trust in God Almighty and not those who try to force themselves over us (oppressors).

          Peter,
          Have you listened to any of Obama’s pastor of 20+ years sermons? There are many who call themselves Christian – And Are Not. Don’t confuse me with being rude towards you, that’s not my intentions. Try and get to understand who Cephas is, he tells us something very important in 1Peter 1:2. The whole chapter is a wonderful one – especially when you have the Strong’s concordance (bringing it back to the original meanings).

          I really find an awful taste in saying this, but it’s true… America (the people) has been dumbed down for too many years. They (our enemies) invaded our classrooms, jobs, government and our financial system was scrubbed out. The people, Unbeknownst of the harm which was being committed to them. I don’t blame anyone for it – except those in power who know what they’re doing. I see a nation that fell asleep at the wheel. The kids are driving the car hun!!! The main area where America has fallen asleep… YAHSHUAH (Jesus). We’ve let them pull FATHER out of the class, courts, and EVEN in the church!!! Where is Godly Wisdom, when FATHER is being veiled? But that cannot be accomplished. You can’t box HIM up – Amen.

          Mark 14:37 And he cometh, and findeth them sleeping, and saith unto Peter, Simon, sleepest thou? couldest not thou watch one hour?

          There are many Peter’s in the world (denied CHRIST three times), but did you not know YAHSHUAH changed Peter’s name to Cephas. And when did he begin to use this new name? The resurrection – Cephas being the first to see YAHSHUAH. Peter is a wonderful example for us all. Come and See. Peter being like us today and Cephas, a transformed (spiritual) man of FATHER.

          I also have to say on a personal level, I do not even trust Mitt Romney. Isn’t it just remarkable how they have only two debating for the presidency. These are not the only two running folks. But that is how the media portrays it… Neither one of these two can I find any trust. How many were in the debates at this point of the campaigns in 2007? Check it out if you don’t know the answer.

        5. “Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.”
          ~1 John 4:1

        6. I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints. Some call us Mormons, notice the name,”Church of Jesus Christ”? We do follow Christ and offer him our hearts and minds & we are baptized in his name and he is our Savior and Redeemer. We study the Holy Bible and the Book of Mormon,the latter only another witness of Jesus. You are miss informed but I still love you as Jesus does.

          1. The name, “Church of Jesus Christ” for the Mormon church is a misnomer. That “Jesus Christ” is not the Jesus Christ of the Bible. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that Jesus and Lucifer were brothers. Yet the Mormons teach that. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that Jehovah God was the father of Jesus and Lucifer. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that Jehovah Himself had a father, and that his father had a father, ad infinitum. Kind of reminds me of the immoral philosophy of Amway.

        7. Bill Clinton said he did not have sexual relations with that woman; Miss Lewinsky. It’s not what you say, it’s how you live. Actions have always spoken louder than words with most people. Keep drinking the Kool-Aide and stay in line.

        8. Obama a Christian? Really. King David’s cry as leader was ‘surround me with the righteous’. In his administration Obama has surrounded himself with Marxists and Communists; There is not a single Christian in his cabinet; His secretary of health and Human Services, Sebelius, promotes not only abortion and the sterilization of impressionable college age women; When Obama was a senator he rarely voted on any issues (to hide his agenda one may imagine) but did weigh in to vote to deny medical care to any infant surviving an abortion; Obama cancelled the long established National Prayer Breakfast, and has held events observing Ramadan, the Islamic high holiday; Obama wears a ring on his hand that says “Allah is the Only God’; Obama in his last campaign speech called for ‘revenge’, a word absent from the Christian vernacular; and the list can go on ad infinitum.. but you go on with your willful illusion that your leader is a Christian, and by all means go down with his ship.

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